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Romney's $5 trillion logical fallacy - Now with Alex
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Mitt Romney Left Tax Policy Wonks Feeling a Little Unsatisfied ...
Romney fiercely objected to Obama's characterization of his tax plan as a $5 trillion tax cut. After all, he says he'll pay for all of it, somehow, later. And he won't permit what is, on paper, a huge tax cut on the rich to cut taxes on ...
What has convinced you that you actually have a choice in November?
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obamas "economic stimulus" packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obamas bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the "independence" of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are "open" to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of "extraordinary rendition".
25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a "cap and trade" carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as long as the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romneys "conversion" to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capitals investment in a company called "Stericycle" that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a "two state solution" will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add "signing statements" to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.
Answer: We do have a choice, Gary Johnson, Libertarian!!!!!
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Ignoramuses are saying Obama did nothing ?
*Cons, focus your attention here. Stop talking to your cat for a second.*
Added back more than 4.2 million private sector jobs
28 straight months of job growth (6/12)
On his first full day, he froze White House salaries
Immediately ordered an audit of government contracts to combat waste and abuse
Saved us from another Great Depression
Overhauled the food safety system
5.9 million homeowners were helped with their mortgages and avoided foreclosure
Advanced womens rights in the work place
Ended Dont Ask, Dont Tell (DADT) in our military
Stopped defending DOMA in court
Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court
Expanded access to medical care for people who cant afford it
Put in place a system in which you can never go bankrupt due to health costs
Expanded the Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty and caps in health insurance
Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly
Pushed and signed the Dodd-Frank bill, an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector
Created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau with Elizabeth Warren
Hes done a lot for veterans
He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks.
Gave out the largest middle class tax break in history
Ended the Iraq war responsibly
Decimated al Qaeda, including taking out bin Laden
Saved our auto industry
Reformed the financial system so we never again have taxpayer-funded bailouts, and the system is more stable and secure
What has Obama Done? Here Are 200 Accomplishments! With Citations!
http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main…
What has Obama Done?
http://www.whathasobamadone.org/
Gross Domestic Product Graph
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national…
Obama accomplishments
http://www.barackobama.com/
http://obamaachievements.org/list
http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main…
On the right hand side see links to Obama’s promises kept, broken, working on…
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What are Governor Romneys accomplishments?
Massachusetts Ranked 47th in Job Creation During Romneys Governorship
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/e…
Mitt Romney Claims Hes a Job Creator...Record Shows Hes a Job Cutter
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heat…
Romney versus Obama tax plan chart:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra…
Even if people dont agree with what he did, hes definitely done something.
Predicted CONservative arguments:
"Hes done something alright, destroying this country is one of them!"
"OMG Hes the worst prez everrrrr"
"Hes a MUULZZIIMM"
@Peppers and youre probably a lot of both.
@Peppers you didnt even read it before you commented? So that would mean YOU lied. Typical...
Category: Politics
Debate Exposes Obama's Ridiculous Tax Myth - Reason.com
The report, by the Tax Policy Center, "estimated" that Romney's revenue-neutral tax plan would necessitate an $86 billion tax increase on the middle class, and more crucially, it allowed every Democrat in the country to ...
Romney scores needed debate win - Video on NBCNews.com
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40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate?
Read it and weep partisan tards...
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/40-points-that-prove-that-barack-obama-and-mitt-romney-are-exactly-the-same
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obamas "economic stimulus" packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obamas bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the "independence" of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are "open" to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of "extraordinary rendition".
25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a "cap and trade" carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as long as the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romneys "conversion" to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capitals investment in a company called "Stericycle" that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a "two state solution" will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add "signing statements" to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.
Answer: I'm pretty sure I can come up with 40 points showing that Jesus and Hitler are the same, if I spend enough time being clever about it. Romney and Obama right now in 2012 couldn't be more different.
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Do these 40 points prove that Romney and Obama are one and the same?
1. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported TARP.
2. Mitt Romney supported Barack Obamas "economic stimulus" packages.
3. Mitt Romney says that Barack Obamas bailout of the auto industry was actually his idea.
4. Neither candidate supports immediately balancing the federal budget.
5. They both believe in big government and they both have a track record of being big spenders while in office.
6. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both fully support the Federal Reserve.
7. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are both on record as saying that the president should not question the "independence" of the Federal Reserve.
8. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both said that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did a good job during the last financial crisis.
9. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both felt that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke deserved to be renominated to a second term.
10. Both candidates oppose a full audit of the Federal Reserve.
11. Both candidates are on record as saying that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has done a good job.
12. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have both been big promoters of universal health care.
13. Mitt Romney was the one who developed the plan that Obamacare was later based upon.
14. Wall Street absolutely showers both candidates with campaign contributions.
15. Neither candidate wants to eliminate the income tax or the IRS.
16. Both candidates want to keep personal income tax rates at the exact same levels for the vast majority of Americans.
17. Both candidates are "open" to the idea of imposing a Value Added Tax on the American people.
18. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the TSA is doing a great job.
19. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the NDAA.
20. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both supported the renewal of the Patriot Act.
21. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the federal government should be able to indefinitely detain American citizens that are considered to be terrorists.
22. Both candidates believe that American citizens suspected of being terrorists can be killed by the president without a trial.
23. Barack Obama has not closed Guantanamo Bay like he promised to do, and Mitt Romney actually wants to double the number of prisoners held there.
24. Both candidates support the practice of "extraordinary rendition".
25. They both support the job-killing "free trade" agenda of the global elite.
26. They both accuse each other of shipping jobs out of the country and both of them are right.
27. Both candidates are extremely soft on illegal immigration.
28. Neither candidate has any military experience. This is the first time that this has happened in a U.S. election since 1944.
29. Both candidates earned a degree from Harvard University.
30. They both believe in the theory of man-made global warming.
31. Mitt Romney has said that he will support a "cap and trade" carbon tax scheme (like the one Barack Obama wants) as long as the entire globe goes along with it.
32. Both candidates have a very long record of supporting strict gun control measures.
33. Both candidates have been pro-abortion most of their careers. Mitt Romneys "conversion" to the pro-life cause has been questioned by many. In fact, Mitt Romney has made millions on Bain Capitals investment in a company called "Stericycle" that incinerates aborted babies collected from family planning clinics.
34. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both believe that the Boy Scout ban on openly gay troop leaders is wrong.
35. They both believe that a "two state solution" will bring lasting peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
36. Both candidates have a history of nominating extremely liberal judges.
37. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney also plans to add "signing statements" to bills when he signs them into law.
38. They both have a horrible record when it comes to job creation.
39. Both candidates believe that the president has the power to take the country to war without getting the approval of the U.S. Congress.
40. Both candidates plan to continue running up more government debt even though the U.S. government is already 16 trillion dollars in debt.
Answer: Short answer: No.
Long answer: Some examples of why they are not the same...
Many of these points are agreed upon by the vast majority of Americans. In addition, many of the points are essentially duplicates of other points.
3. Mitt Romney was stretching the truth. Romney would NOT have used government dollars to help the automakers restructure as they went through bankruptcy. There were NO private dollars available at the time. The automakers would have failed and the ripple effect would have been horrendous for the US economy.
5. While it is true that Republicans are big spenders, what Democrats and Republicans spend the money on is not the same. I know which one I prefer.
16. Pretending that there are no differences in how the two men feel about tax rates does not make it true. The vast majority of Americans support raising tax rates for the wealthiest Americans. Mitt Romney does not.
27. Barack Obama has more agents on the border than any prior president. Barack Obama has deported more illegal aliens than any prior president. Barack Obama has presided over more CRIMINAL deportations than any prior president. That's not even CLOSE to being soft on illegal immigration.
33. No one is pro-abortion. I stopped reading after that ridiculous sentence.
38. Barack Obama has created a large number of jobs since he was elected. This was in stark contrast to constant job losses in the years prior to Obama taking office. Mitt Romney's record as Massachusetts governor was 48th out of 50 states.
I won't question that Barack Obama is the lesser of two evils, but I won't choose to ignore the fact that Mitt Romney is the greater of two evils.
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